floele Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hi, I've recently come across an application called InstallPad (http://installpad.com/), which seems to be no longer in development. It has features which are very similar to Ketarin's, just...less advanced It does, however, have the additional ability to install applications, as opposed to only downloading them. It seems to me, that this might also be a nice addition to Ketarin. What do you think? I'd imagine it to work like this: 0. When adding applications, you specify some additional setup parameters. For example the installation method (copy file to a loction or execute file in case of an installer) or the parameter for silent installation. 1. You select some applications or all of them (I'm not sure yet how. Maybe I'll ad checkboxes to the list or add an additional dialog.) You could have "profiles" which groups multiple applications, or for the start maybe just a selection based on the category. 2. You specify whether or not to have silent installations (if possible) and to update all applications to be installed before starting the setup. 3. Ketarin launches the setup routines and shows some kind of progress dialog during the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hi, This is why i asked multiple default applications for. Best regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 How does that help actually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) Hi, From what you said i understood that your profiles are similar to my idea of multiple default applications. Edited February 21, 2010 by josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 But it doesn't help you to install anything, does it? BTW, you can actually emulate this feature for now by just keeping some disabled dummy applications that you can copy and paste for new purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Yes, I have those in my database as you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Well, I didn't look at your apps that closely I've just been interested in the technical issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) So i assume its not helpful? These are the 'profiles' i'm talking about Archive Archive & Run Capture URL & Archive Capture URL & Archive & Run Capture URL & Extract Extract (7z) Extract (UniExtract) Extract to Temp & Copy (7z) Extract to Temp & Robocopy Files (Uniextract) Extract to Temp & Robocopy Folders (Uniextract) Extract to Temp & Robocopy Mirror (Uniextract) PortableApps Capture URL & Archive PortableApps Capture URL & Archive & Run I use Ketarin to handle my portable applications so i dont need a silent install profile but generally speaking that can be usefull although tricky. Best regards! Edited February 21, 2010 by josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 So your "& Run" applications are meant for installation? In this case you don't have the option though whether or not to install an application - you can't separate updates from installations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) Hi, What do you mean 'separate'? These options archives updates only; ArchiveCapture URL & Archive These archives and installs Archive & RunCapture URL & Archive & Run Edited February 22, 2010 by josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Well, you have jobs that "download and install" and you have jobs that only download. But you cannot turn on or off installing a particular application, unless you have two versions of it. In Ketarin downloading and installing would be separate tasks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreone Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I really like to idea of having the downloading process separated from the installing one. When you said at step 0 "copy file to a location", did you also mean extraction in the case of an archive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Some tools, like putty for example, do not need an installation but can be installed by just copying it to a specific location. Extracting a ZIP file might also be possible, but then I'd need to ship a command line version of 7z or the like with Ketarin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 In Ketarin downloading and installing would be separate tasks. May we ask to keep both options open? I still like 1 button does all But yes, i also like idea to install an application anytime i choose and independent of update :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Your scripts will of course stay the same, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CybTekSol Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Extracting a ZIP file might also be possible, but then I'd need to ship a command line version of 7z or the like with Ketarin. Or maybe having Ketarin detect the absence/presence of 7-Zip's CL version in Ketarin's folder or a 'global variables' path to it to enable this feature if packaging it with Ketarin is not possible Flo? Also, Flo, I noticed InstallPad has the ability to sequentially test for the latest version of an app from a stable URL format from sites that use such structure. Is this a possibility for Ketarin? The latest successful version found could then be recorded as the version scrape maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted February 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Actually, I don't think that it is possible to work nicely. I never know whether or not a found version is the latest version, because usually versions are skipped. So if currently at 5.2.1, there might not be a 5.2.2 but only a 5.3.1 version. I can certainly check for all combinations from 1.1.1 to 99.99.99, but you'll probably agree that this might be rather slow. Efficient only when a directory listing is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CybTekSol Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I agree with your assessment of the difficulty in determining if a link is for the latest version or how reliable this might be Flo. If the current version is 5.2.1 when you add an app's URL, then test from 5.2.2 up incrementally thru version 6.0.0 for example, it may get one's static ip banned from a site like happened to me at FreeWareFiles.com some time ago. And even then, 6.0.0 may not be the latest version with a major jump in development and/or time between running Ketarin. I didn't test how well 'download latest version' worked with InstallPad but I was 'suspect' of this approach when I read of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassiohui Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 i don't really think it's necessary to have the "install program" option, but i'd definitely appreciate the "extract" options, especially if it supports those exe's that CAN be extracted (coz winrar would extract them). i know there are ways to sort of do that, but it's not entirely reliable (i've got an exe that can be extracted by winrar but not uniextract, the taught method in the forum somewhere - problem is i want my drive to be self sustainable, i.e. no need to rely on the host computer to have certain softwares or anything...everything runs off the portable drive). i don't know how hard it will be, or what the licensing issues there will be (coz presumably you'll use some libs from somewhere), but it'd be awesome if ketarin comes with that functionality. i'd even gladly donate some (just some...) money for that! actually i'm more than happy to donate some money now but you don't have that on your website. maybe you can add a paypal link to your homepage in the meantime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted September 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 I'm currently doing some work on this task. Might actually turn out to be pretty useful. I even plan to implement some scripting which goes somewhat beyond the current possibilities. Maybe you'll even want that for the rest of the Ketarin features Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CybTekSol Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I can hardly wait to see what you come up with Flo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floele Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Now that I started, neither can I. Seems promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I'm so excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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