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The "save as default" app button is visible when defining a new application and before it is saved for the first time, then it disappears. May we have the "save as default" button available when editing a saved app? Kind regards, --appyface

AFAIK there is only one way to export settings, using the steps I wrote. How would you only export part of the settings? I don't understand your question about apps. Are you sure you're following my steps as written?

Sorry you're having problems exporting. Can someone else do it in the exact manner I described above? And using 'pre update' batch file commands? FWIW I'm on W7 Pro 64-bit + all m$ updates...

Sure I can do that. But first, when you try it, does it work for you?

Using Ketarin 1.6.400 (beta 3?). Used File -> Settings -> Export and created XML file. Launched Ketarin and created a new, blank, jobs.db file in the directory with Ketarin executable. Used File -> Settings -> Import and selected the XML file just created. No commands were imported into settings. I've confirmed they are present in the XML "PreUpdateCommand" area. Help? Thanks and regards, --appyface

Agreed! :-)

Still not quite right... the page that loads into Ketarin does not contain the same links that I get when looking at the page with IE8. For example, in IE8 look at the second Windows download entry (it's for 64-bit). Hover over the orange download arrow to the left of it and note the bundle-id is 41293. However, I can't find that bundle-id anywhere in the text that Ketarin loads?

Yes this has been an issue ever since Ketarin could use a regex on web pages: http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=322 It depends on the regex itself and what part is being edited, as well as how big the page is that is being scraped -- if adding/changing/deleting just a single character causes catastrophic backtracking, Ketarin appears to be hung but in reality just needs time (sometimes a lot time -- even 10 minutes or more) to complete the evaluation of the regex. Try to add/change/delete the next character and wait again.

@flo Could we have an option in Ketarin to turn on a 'wait to parse a regex in the variable pane screen while it is being typed/edited' feature? I'm thinking of a 'go' button to click when done typing/editing, or perhaps just pressing 'enter' in the regex field when done. Then Ketarin evaluates it? Ketarin can appear to be hung for some minutes especially when editing a regex, and there doesn't appear to be a way to abort that (except to kill the program). Possble Flo? TIA, --appyface

OK the box that briefly flashes is, "The content is being loaded"... Good gravy yes I did not scroll down far enough... I paged down a few times and *assumed* nothing happened there. Thank you. I'm glad this was an easy fix! Whew! LOL

@flo I'm asking YOU why not :-) I copy/paste the URL and click the 'load' button and nothing happens except a brief screen flash I can't read. Win7 Pro 64-bit new Ketarin 1.5.x.

Thought I'd give this URL a try: hxxp://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp Ketarin is not able to load this page in the variable pane so I can scrape it. I use WatchThatPage for my page-watching service, and it loads this page fine. Is there a way to get the server to render the page contents for Ketarin? TIA, --appyface P.S. I know there are other web sources for downloading Java JRE and JDK. I'm only interested in methods to get the original sites' downloads via Ketarin as these are the problematic ones. E.g. java.com, oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html, etc. Please don't post me 3rd party sites, thanks :-)

WOOT! Thanks Flo :-)

@flo Re: Hang. After some minutes, the variable pane 'goes away' and I'm left with the app pane and main Ketarin window only along with the requisite 'not responding' info from Win7. I left it for some 10 minutes and it didn't complete. Re: '.' Yes I tried %2E but sourceforge does not accept that either. I think it is because sourceforge wants the URL to be submitted as is, including %20, %2C etc but Ketarin would have to substitute an actual '.' for the %2E I think... Did it work for you?

@flo have you been able to reproduce the 'hang' with my XML?

Yes the load times out because without the '.', the URL is no good and sourceforge cannot load it. The '.' is also removed before the '/' if it appears anywhere, e.g. hxxp://somedata./somemoredata/ but only before a '/' I think, as '.' characters seem to be retained otherwise. Any ideas how to work around the problem?

I am trying to scrape a variable from this URL using the new Ketarin: hxxp://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Mozilla%20Firefox%2C%20Portable%20Ed./ I am getting a message "the contents of this URL cannot be loaded". This URL when pasted into IE works fine. I think Ketarin is removing the '.' right before the last slash, can you confirm? Or is it something else... Thanks! --appyface Win7 Pro 64-bit

@flo The new Ketarin is hanging for me. 100% of one CPU. Only remedy is to kill Ketarin and launch again. I can reproduce consistently from below XML, imported into an empty db. This app does not hang current stable version of Ketarin. Win7 Pro 64-bit. (I'll test both my issues in XP Pro SP3 as soon as I have a chance.) To reproduce: 1. Access the variables pane of "Test" app 2. Click the last variable, "fname". It should load quickly. 3. Click the middle variable, "skimpath". It may take a minute or so but will load. Occasionally sourceforge gives a timeout just click the "load" button to try it again, should load. 4. Click the last variable "fname" again. Ketarin hangs using 100% of one CPU consistently for me. --appyface <?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?> <Jobs> <ApplicationJob xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"> <WebsiteUrl /> <UserNotes /> <LastFileSize>1318228</LastFileSize> <LastFileDate>2010-09-17T07:42:44.2082469</LastFileDate> <IgnoreFileInformation>false</IgnoreFileInformation> <DownloadBeta>Default</DownloadBeta> <DownloadDate xsi:nil="true" /> <CheckForUpdatesOnly>true</CheckForUpdatesOnly> <VariableChangeIndicator /> <CanBeShared>true</CanBeShared> <ShareApplication>false</ShareApplication> <ExclusiveDownload>true</ExclusiveDownload> <HttpReferer>http://sourceforge.net/</HttpReferer> <SetupInstructions /> <Variables> <item> <key> <string>vers</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>(?<=Professional Edition.*?Portable KeePass ).*?(?= )</Regex> <Url>http://keepass.info/download.html</Url> <Name>vers</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>skimpath</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>(?<=downloads.sourceforge.net/project/keepass.*?href="/projects/).*?(?=/KeePass.{1,10}?Setup\.exe/download" title="/KeePass)</Regex> <Url>http://sourceforge.net/projects/keepass/files/</Url> <Name>skimpath</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>fname</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>(?<=professional edition.*?href=".*?keepass/).*?(?=")</Regex> <Url>http://keepass.info/download.html</Url> <Name>fname</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> </Variables> <ExecuteCommand /> <ExecutePreCommand /> <Category /> <SourceType>FixedUrl</SourceType> <PreviousLocation>D:\Stuff\filestore\password\Test</PreviousLocation> <DeletePreviousFile>false</DeletePreviousFile> <Enabled>false</Enabled> <FileHippoId>keepass</FileHippoId> <LastUpdated>2010-09-17T07:42:44.2082469</LastUpdated> <TargetPath>C:\</TargetPath> <FixedDownloadUrl>http://downloads.sourceforge.net/{skimpath}/{fname}/download?</FixedDownloadUrl> <Name>Test</Name> </ApplicationJob> </Jobs>

I unzipped this version into a folder containing a copy of my jobs.db. Launched Ketarin directly (double-click) and I see the install button is not in line with the other buttons at the bottom of the window: Win7 Pro 64-bit, fully patched via m$ update. ' FYI... --appyface

@CybTekSol Sorry it took me so long to get back to this. I just tested your template for the Setup version and it gets the file correctly. Mine does too at the moment though. Thank you for this :-) Next time my app misses I'll run yours and examine the differences in response. Hopefully I can find out what is missing from mine. Thanks again! --appyface

@shawn Would you please give detailed step-by-step instructions on your method, for how to pick up Keepass 2.12 installer file (KeePass-2.12-Setup.exe) from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/keepass/files/ This one can on occasion be problematic for my download method, so I thought I'd try your approach on it. But I must be doing something wrong, because all I can get with your method is the infamous 1.2M bogus exe file that is actually HTML. Thanks in advance for details, I'm sure it will not only help me but help others to clearly understand how your approach works. --appyface

In my case I've had to change the mirror only once and only for two apps, so it's something I'm quite happy to live with so far. In my setup I don't have to make any pattern changes to set up an app, except in the case of avoiding betas that are listed first. So I'll take far less mucking over 100% reliability any day :-) --appyface

@shawn Thank you. This is similar to what I'm currently doing. One difference with my approach is I go straight to the mirror instead of letting SF provide one. It works 99.44% of the time. The only problems I've encountered is when the mirror I'm using is not available or doesn't carry the file. My approach picks up the first version matching my scrape. Typically that's the one I want because the most recent version is presented first. However, with some authors that can be a beta. If I don't want the beta I have to modify the app a bit to skip it. I'm interested in a more generic approach, if that is even possible. But our approaches do work! Thank you for posting your approach and details, I'm sure this info will be of help to many people. @CybTekSol Thank you as always for your help, and for the link and info on your template. I have some free time coming up in a couple of weeks, I'll get back to you then. I'm interested in trying out your latest template :-) Thanks again, --appyface

Is there a currently working template for SF now? The 'sticky' thread at the top of this forum gives up on it over a year ago. If there is, would someone please post the full template AND full instructions on how to use it (or point to full and complete instructions if they already exist?). I have never used templates so I need instructions from the very beginning :-) I'm good to go with regex syntax BUT haven't used the Ketarin variables version of it much so a little explanation for any of those in the template would be helpful too. Thanks and regards, --appyface

I just downloaded 1.1.2.337 (I hope that is current version). Ran 'update all' by using 'update now' button. Afterward noticed two applications I had forgotten to enable, so enabled those and issued CTRL-U to update them. Then tried sorting on 'status' column and noticed it doesn't sort correctly in either direction. Bug or not, if sorting doesn't work at any given time, the column has little value for me. Just my opinion to collect :-) --appyface