appyface

Yes Tomorrow I know what you meant. The fact that you prefer to avoid POST and get a file another way is not relevant to my request. ANY tutorial that can teach how to evaluate a webform's download method is POST and then shows how to construct the POST request in Ketarin that successfully retrieves the file is a useful tutorial. It is of no importance that there are other ways of getting the file because this request is not about getting the file, it is about teaching the method. If you prefer to write a tutorial for the synaptics site that's fine, I'll use it on the Neosmart site and see if it works.

I don't understand what you're saying, Flo? This web form has POST specified -- doesn't that mean it uses POST? I admit I have no idea how these web forms work, so if specifying POST can mean it may or may not use it I don't know how to tell. That in itself would also be worthwhile to have in the tutorial -- how the n00b can tell when POST is not really POST. Can you take us through the webpage step-by-step and show us how you discovered it specifies POST but doesn't actually do that?

Tomorrow -- The subject line of my thread is "POST form help needed" because I mean that. I would like help getting POST working in Ketarin with this form. Why are people trying to make it about something else? What wheel?

My request is not about getting the file any old way possible -- I thought I made that pretty clear from the start? My request is to get POST to work in Ketarin to get this file. If I have misunderstood the web page in question and it does not use POST, no one has mentioned that to me yet. So far, my only "problem" seems to be one of receiving solutions to questions other than the one I'm asking.

So there is no way to do this with POST then? Or y'all are still missing the point of my thread...?

The problem, shawn, is that I'm still looking for a tutorial on POST for the Wiki. I'm hoping this one would be something Flo could use for that.

Is the scenario in this thread not simple enough either?

Thanks, shawn, I'll give this a try.

@flo Before I posted for help here, I had the app constructed up through where I feed the POST variables to the form. But that's as far as I've gotten, I don't know how to get the download URL from Ketarin after the form is submitted. I'm stuck similarly here: https://ketarin.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=5819#p5819 I reached the same point there but could go no further. Perhaps I've done the whole thing wrong on both counts, I don't know. I'm not receiving any errors. I just don't know what to do next.

Thanks for the assist necrox. I do use Firefox and reveal those things. But I don't have any training (nor interest, actually) in web stuff, so I have no idea how it relates or how to use it. I need this feature 'dumbed down' to a n00b tutorial -- which would help others besides me to get a handle on this capability in Ketarin. As I mentioned, I should have documented the working template Flo gave me before it broke. So now I don't have anything that works so I can document the process for next time. I can't find any TeamSpeak or anything called "online database" on the Neosmart site. Can you give me a link to it?

Flo - any chance you have a little time to help with this one? I just don't 'get' how POST works with Ketarin, and there's no help in the Wiki. TIA...

Can Ketarin get around this limitation?

If you're not logged in to CNET you download a "CNET downloader" exe for the app instead of the app. I don't know if this true for all CNET downloads but it seems to be true for all of mine: Example here: http://download.cnet.com/PicPick/3000-2192_4-75072925.html?tag=mncol;1

Thanks Tommorrow but that's not what I'm asking for... I'm not asking for any-old way to get the download, I'm asking for help with POST as per my subject line. I hope that's clearer now... What I want to do, is use Ketarin's POST feature -- to 'walk' from the first URL to the second, submit the form, and capture the download link into a variable. Some time ago I had an app to get the JDK, that Flo put together. Unfortunately I didn't document it step-by-step as I should have. So when the website changed and the app stopped working -- so did my example :-( I've no way to examine how it works now. Hence my request for help with POST.

Anyone know how to get the JDK, starting from this page? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html The above page yields this link: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk-6u26-download-400750.html From that page I scrape the pieces needed for Windows x86 (or x64) version, but can't get it to work so far -- is a cookie needed?

Starting at this page: http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 Near the bottom I find my link titled "Download free for limited, non-commercial use" which goes to this page: http://neosmart.net/download.php?id=1 And that page submits the form via the button, starting the download. I thought my referrer, post variable, etc. were set correctly in Ketarin. but the site gives me 403 forbidden -- so obviously not Could someone shed a little light on how that should work? Kind regards, --appyface

@flo I too don't mind the off topic, provided the primary topic doesn't get buried -- mine, in this case Thank you for putting this one on your "never ending" list of todo's.

Thank you Shawn, I'll check these out :-) Kind regards, --appyface

Has anyone been successful scraping and downloading from m$ Hardware site since their last redesign? Here's one example: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/d/wireless-laser-mouse-5000 From this page, in one Ketarin app I want to scrape and download both the Win7 32-bit version, in another app the Win7 64-bit version. If anyone has figured this out, I would appreciate a template or some helpful pointers :-) A few times I thought I had it worked out, but ... no. Kind regards, --appyface Please note, I'm specifically asking about downloading from this page/site. I'm not looking for alternative download URLs.

Y'all want "Status" to be the current state/last state of Ketarin's activities for that session launch only. Meaningless to me but useful to you, OK I got that. Let's come back to my request now, please? I'm interested in a column displaying the last update attempt result FOR THE APP, regardless of when it occurred -- meaning, that value will persist between launches of Ketarin and be updated to the new value each time Ketarin makes an update attempt. I'm happy to use one of the custom columns for this. Possible to do?

I think the fundamental difference here is the understanding of "last status" -- does it represent the last update attempt status of the app, or is it the last activity Ketarin performed this session? I'm interested in the last update attempt status OF THE APP, doesn't matter when it happened. As such "no change", "failed" etc. are much more interesting to me than the last update date column, which can't give me that information. Personally, I find leaving "last status" to represent Ketarin's activities instead of the status of the app is just silly but that doesn't mean someone wouldn't use it I'll ask this again: Can the value can be made available to save and display with one of the custom columns? I'm happy to show it there if that is available and the 'last status' column can remain the way it is. Possible to do?

> To me, the status column only is the last state of any update process Exactly what you wrote, that's what Ketarin already does and I don't want to change that. Not sure why you think I want to change that? What I want to change -- show it to me when I relaunch Ketarin. I don't understand why you feel that's adding complexity -- wouldn't you just save it in the db and redisplay it when Ketarin runs again?

Oh geez I bet I looked at that panel a dozen times this morning and I never noticed that addition. I'll check it out. Thanks again, Shawn!

Thank you for your reply, Shawn. Where do I put the user-agent in Ketarin?

Ketarin currently shows exactly what I want -- the status of the last update attempt (updated, no update, failed) -- as long as that occurred during the current launch of Ketarin EXE. Ketarin doesn't show "Idle" once an attempt has been made, it continues to show the last update status even if the app is edited. So the column isn't consistent at representing Ketarin's "current state". Personally, I like the status column handing as it is done now within the current session. My request is only to show it again when Ketarin is relaunched, instead of "Idle". I could go with a way to set one of the two Custom columns to show this value, if the Status column does not seem reasonable for this. Thoughts?