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Hi, While trying to bypass the license agreement to download the JDK from Oracle pages (see https://ketarin.org/...ent-for-jrejdk/), I finally figured out that Ketarin is ignoring the "Location" header provided in a 302 error response. As shown in attached network capture, it is instead re-trying the original URL twice, before to give up. I face this using an "httpx" URL as a cookie is needed. However, I confirmed that, even with a regular "http" URL, the "Location" header on 302 is not taken into account by Ketarin. I do think that this is the last issue preventing my Oracle JDK app profile to work (check above-mentioned thread for details). Also in attached ZIP are the Ketarin log file, and my simplest app profile (just for testing) highlighting this issue. Thanks in advance PS : as mentioned in the referred thread, something else puzzles me in this capture: one can see that, after teh two first 302 error, Ketarin is first getting "/errors/download-fail-1505220.html", before trying again the original URL, but can't understand where it find this error URL from. Looks like it is inferred from the 302, but the three 302 errors are stating "Location: https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe" so...!? Ketarin-OracleJDK.zip

Actually, the cookie is properly pushed upon both retries after receiving the 302. FMPOV the bug is the fact that Ketarin ignore the "Location" field provided with the 302 and retries instead with the original URL. See attached capture showing this. Something else puzzles me in this capture: one can see that, after teh two first 302 error, Ketarin is first getting "/errors/download-fail-1505220.html", before trying again the original URL, but can't understand where it find this error URL from. Looks like it is inferred from the 302, but the three 302 errors are stating "Location: https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe" so...!? Anyway, time to file a bug for Flo, I think. Thanks for the tip, will try it And for your help to track down this issue ;-) Ketarin-OracleJDK.zip

OK, understood the AuthParam issue, here is the wget output (was too focused on the network capture): wget --no-cookies --header "Cookie: gpw_e24=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracle.com;" [url="[url="http://download.orac"]http://download.orac[/url]"][url="http://download.orac"]http://download.orac[/url][/url] le.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe --2012-07-28 11:28:41-- [url="[url="http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe"]http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe[/url]"][url="http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe"]http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe[/url][/url] Resolving download.oracle.com... 80.239.178.177, 80.239.178.146 Connecting to download.oracle.com|80.239.178.177|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily Location: [url="[url="https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe"]https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe[/url]"][url="https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe"]https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe[/url][/url] [following] --2012-07-28 11:28:41-- [url="[url="https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe"]https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe[/url]"][url="https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe"]https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe[/url][/url] Resolving edelivery.oracle.com... 2.17.18.174 Connecting to edelivery.oracle.com|2.17.18.174|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily Location: [url="[url="http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam=1345621896_de1"]http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam=1345621896_de1[/url]"][url="http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam=1345621896_de1"]http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam=1345621896_de1[/url][/url] 5999d9ded9cbcf10cc0c0300d9345 [following] --2012-07-28 11:28:42-- [url="[url="http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam"]http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam[/url]"][url="http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam"]http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam[/url][/url] =1345621896_de15999d9ded9cbcf10cc0c0300d9345 Reusing existing connection to download.oracle.com:80. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 94385632 (90M) [application/octet-stream] Saving to: `jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam=1345621896_de15999d9ded9cbcf10cc0c0300d9345' So the 2nd "302 Moved Temporarily" gives the AuthParam to be used. Wonder why I didn't see it in the network capture.... So, wondering if Ketarin wouldn't be supposed to use the "Location" field upon 302 to reissue its request? If it would, it would succeed as wget. Sounds like a bug, what do you think?

Don't understand either. wget capture attached if needed for better understanding. Nope, I don't. And wget doesn't either, see PNG attachment. wget-OracleJDK.zip

Oops, sorry! Should have found it on the wiki... Thanks Tomorrow

If "Cookie" is used in the HTTPX URL, it is not interpreted by Ketarin, verified with Wireshark. Checked the difference between wget & Ketarin using Wireshark: - both send: "GET /otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe HTTP/1.0\r\n" with cookie set - both receive "HTTP/1.0 302 Moved Temporarily\r\n", with "Location: https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe" - then: - wget resends "GET /otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?AuthParam=1345542419_d9ef9b9c3bf21654dfb8802594d430f1 HTTP/1.0\r\n" => download starts - Ketaring sends "GET /errors/download-fail-1505220.html HTTP/1.1\r\n", and receives "HTTP/1.1 200 OK\r\n" => no download

I have confirmed that gpw_e24 is still the magic cookie: tried " wget http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe" => failed tried "wget --no-cookies --header "Cookie: oraclelicensejdk-7u6-oth-JPR=accept-securebackup-cookie;" http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe" => failed tried "wget --no-cookies --header "Cookie: gpw_e24=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracle.com;" http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe" => worked So, the solution is to set the gpw_e24 cookie to any value, as stated at http://blog.kdecherf...-magic-cookies/. Now I just need to fix the syntax I used, from what I've seen, using this HTTPX URL fails (also tried with simpler cookie values): httpx://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?cookie:gpw_e24=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracle.com I get: JDK 7 x64 The downloaded file is not a binary file type (text/html). Possibly there is an error page. Status code: 200 (OK) (httpx://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe?cookie:gpw_e24=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracle.com) Thus I guess that the syntax I'm using should be incorrect, is it? (though it follows what is specified on the wiki)

Hi, I use to launch K with /silent, and it happens, from time to time, that some sites have changed, and thus Ketarin is generating an error. So I would be able to parse the log file once "Ketarin /silent" has exited to check if errors happened. However, I couldn't find any persistence for this log file... Is there a way to get log contents once Ketarin has exited? TIA

Thanks Shawn, actually only the "gpw_e24" is needed, as per http://blog.kdecherf...-magic-cookies/. I checked it with wget and confirmed it worked fine. So I tried using the syntax specified here: http://wiki.ketarin....=HTTPX_protocol, but I should miss something as it doesn't work... Here is the log: 2012-08-21 10:23:02: Update started with 1 application(s) 2012-08-21 10:23:03: JDK 7 x64: Replacing {fileUrl} in '[url="[url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url]"][url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url][/url]{fileUrl}' with '/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1637583.html' 2012-08-21 10:23:03: JDK 7 x64: Replacing {dlUrl} in 'httpx{dlUrl}?cookie:gpw_e24=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracle.com%2Ftechnetwork%2Fjava%2Fjavase%2Fdownloads%2Fjdk7-downloads-1637583.html' with '://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe' 2012-08-21 10:23:03: JDK 7 x64: Using referer: (none) 2012-08-21 10:23:33: JDK 7 x64: Failed, The operation has timed out 2012-08-21 10:23:33: JDK 7 x64: Replacing {fileUrl} in '[url="[url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url]"][url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url][/url]{fileUrl}' with '/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1637583.html' 2012-08-21 10:23:33: JDK 7 x64: Replacing {dlUrl} in 'httpx{dlUrl}?cookie:gpw_e24=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracle.com%2Ftechnetwork%2Fjava%2Fjavase%2Fdownloads%2Fjdk7-downloads-1637583.html' with '://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe' 2012-08-21 10:23:33: JDK 7 x64: Using referer: (none) 2012-08-21 10:23:34: JDK 7 x64: Server source file: /otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe 2012-08-21 10:23:34: JDK 7 x64: Failed, The downloaded file is not a binary file type (text/html). Possibly there is an error page. Status code: 200 (OK) 2012-08-21 10:23:35: JDK 7 x64: Replacing {fileUrl} in '[url="[url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url]"][url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url][/url]{fileUrl}' with '/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1637583.html' 2012-08-21 10:23:35: JDK 7 x64: Replacing {dlUrl} in 'httpx{dlUrl}?cookie:gpw_e24=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oracle.com%2Ftechnetwork%2Fjava%2Fjavase%2Fdownloads%2Fjdk7-downloads-1637583.html' with '://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe' 2012-08-21 10:23:35: JDK 7 x64: Using referer: (none) 2012-08-21 10:23:35: JDK 7 x64: Server source file: /otn-pub/java/jdk/7u6-b24/jdk-7u6-windows-x64.exe 2012-08-21 10:23:35: JDK 7 x64: Failed, The downloaded file is not a binary file type (text/html). Possibly there is an error page. Status code: 200 (OK) 2012-08-21 10:23:35: Update finished Any clue? Thanks for your help

Good idea and fix for the JRE, but not applicable to JDK OK, but also from java.com, so dead end for the JDK, thanks anyway Exactly what I'm doing, use to work for months till april... Since then, you're redirected to this page: http://download.orac...il-1505220.html I once thought it was a cookie issue, thus tried to use the httpx trick mentioned on the wiki, but without luck.

I used to update the latest JRE & JDK thanks to Ketarin, it used to work until a few months ago. This is when Oracle decided that if the license agreement was not checked, then an error page will be displayed even when getting the actual DL link. Does anyone knows how to bypass it, or cheating it? TIA PS : here is how my "JDK" app is set up: <?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?> <Jobs> <ApplicationJob xmlns:xsi="[url="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"]http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance[/url]" xmlns:xsd="[url="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"]http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema[/url]" Guid="2f5fdbb7-e5bf-4e74-8eee-3251b0b9439b"> <Category>Java</Category> <WebsiteUrl>[url="http://www.oracle.com/"]http://www.oracle.com/[/url]{relNotes}</WebsiteUrl> <UserAgent /> <UserNotes /> <LastFileSize>91662296</LastFileSize> <LastFileDate>2012-03-26T17:19:32.755477</LastFileDate> <IgnoreFileInformation>false</IgnoreFileInformation> <DownloadBeta>Default</DownloadBeta> <DownloadDate xsi:nil="true" /> <CheckForUpdatesOnly>true</CheckForUpdatesOnly> <VariableChangeIndicator /> <CanBeShared>true</CanBeShared> <ShareApplication>true</ShareApplication> <ExclusiveDownload>false</ExclusiveDownload> <HttpReferer /> <SetupInstructions> <SetupInstruction xsi:type="StartProcessInstruction"> <EnvironmentVariables /> <FileName>{file}</FileName> <Parameters /> <WaitForExit>true</WaitForExit> </SetupInstruction> </SetupInstructions> <Variables> <item> <key> <string>branch</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>Textual</VariableType> <Regex /> <TextualContent>Java</TextualContent> <Name>branch</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>vendor</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>Textual</VariableType> <Regex /> <TextualContent>Oracle</TextualContent> <Name>vendor</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>project</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>Textual</VariableType> <Regex /> <TextualContent>{appname}</TextualContent> <Name>project</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>subProject</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>Textual</VariableType> <Regex /> <TextualContent>/</TextualContent> <Name>subProject</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>projectAlias</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>Textual</VariableType> <Regex /> <TextualContent /> <Name>projectAlias</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>templateAuthor</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>Textual</VariableType> <Regex /> <TextualContent>TerDale</TextualContent> <Name>templateAuthor</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>dlUrl</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>Windows x64.+?"filepath":"(.+?)"</Regex> <Url>[url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url]{fileUrl}</Url> <Name>dlUrl</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>version</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>Windows x64.+?"filepath":".+?jdk/(.+?)/.+?"</Regex> <Url>[url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url]{fileUrl}</Url> <Name>version</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>relNotes</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>Current Version.+?href="(.+?)"</Regex> <Url>[url="http://www.oracle.com/"]http://www.oracle.com/[/url]{allRelNotes}</Url> <Name>relNotes</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>allRelNotes</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>Java SE 7.+?>JDK</h.+?>ReadMe.+?"(.+?)"</Regex> <Url>[url="http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads"]http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads[/url]</Url> <Name>allRelNotes</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>major</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>Windows x64.+?"filepath":".+?jdk/(\d).+?/.+?"</Regex> <Url>[url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url]{fileUrl}</Url> <Name>major</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>update</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>Windows x64.+?"filepath":".+?jdk/\du(\d+).+?/.+?"</Regex> <Url>[url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url]{fileUrl}</Url> <Name>update</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>fileUrl</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>Java SE 7.+?>JDK</h.+?href="(.+?)"</Regex> <Url>[url="http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads"]http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads[/url]</Url> <Name>fileUrl</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> <item> <key> <string>dlFileName</string> </key> <value> <UrlVariable> <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft> <VariableType>RegularExpression</VariableType> <Regex>Windows x64.+?"filepath":".+?/(jdk-.+?)"</Regex> <Url>[url="http://www.oracle.com"]http://www.oracle.com[/url]{fileUrl}</Url> <Name>dlFileName</Name> </UrlVariable> </value> </item> </Variables> <ExecuteCommand>{nirCmd} infobox "Copying ''{dlFileName}'' on Circle ..." "{appname} downloaded" start /b copy "{file}" "\\Circle\partage\Technique\Software\java\{dlFileName}"</ExecuteCommand> <ExecutePreCommand /> <ExecuteCommandType>Batch</ExecuteCommandType> <ExecutePreCommandType>Batch</ExecutePreCommandType> <SourceType>FixedUrl</SourceType> <PreviousLocation>C:\users\Public\Downloads\Software\Java\Java\JDK 7 x64~7u3-b05~jdk-7u3-windows-x64.exe</PreviousLocation> <DeletePreviousFile>true</DeletePreviousFile> <Enabled>true</Enabled> <FileHippoId /> <LastUpdated>2012-03-26T17:19:32.755477</LastUpdated> <TargetPath>{base}\{branch}\{category}\{appname}~{version}~{url:basefile}.{url:ext}</TargetPath> <FixedDownloadUrl>{dlUrl}</FixedDownloadUrl> <Name>JDK 7 x64</Name> </ApplicationJob> </Jobs>

Confirmed! Thanks to both of you.

Hi, Does anybody else face issues while accessing the online database? Each time I try to use the "Import from online database" feature, if I key in an app name, I get a long delay (a few min.), then the attached error: . I get the same issue if, instead of keying in an app name, I click on "Top 50" Updated to the latest 1.6.1RC, but same issue. Any clue? TIA

OK, add a new app: name it "anApp" select "Variables" create a new variable named "version" choose "Content from URL (regex)" set the URL of the web page containing the current version in "Regular Expression" set ".*?{appname}\s+\d+\.\d+" the regex can't be resolved because {appname} has just been created now save the app re-open it click "Advanced", select "version", the regex is now properly resolved, and the version highlighted

Hi, Beta 1 was posted almost 1 year ago, any schedule for an official release?

Just figured out that I was running 1.6.0, because I changed my PC. On the previous one, I was running 1.6.1b2, so I updated and the problem seems now to be gone. So, forget it.

If one adds a new application, and defines variables based on {appname}, then {appname} is not replaced properly by the just defined name, and variables appear as not working. OTOH, if the new app is saved, then re-edited, then {appname} is properly replaced. So, it sounds that {appname} is properly replaced only once the app settings have been saved a first time. Tiny issue anyway ;-) TIA

Hi, I used to launch Ketarin with "/silent /notify" for a while now, and it worked fine so far. Well, until the 2 last times, on the lastest, it crashed after a few minutes with the error shown in attachment. About the one before, it didn't crash but never stopped, so I had to kill it. I guess those behaviors should be caused by my application list, as it changes regularly. Either one (or more) app. has some setting that make Ketarin unhappy, or this is related to the app count that is growing (224 apps currently, of which 61 are disabled)...? What is puzzling is that, if I launch K without any option, and I hit "Update All", everything is fine: it goes to its end without error or freeze. Any clue? PS: I can provide my app list and settings if needed to investigate. TIA.

Hi Shawn, Thanks for the heads up. Here is my template for "Download Location-Save to file" : "{base}\{branch}\{category}\{appname}~{version}~{url:basefile}.{url:ext}". So, it relies on the original name of the file, will try with "Save to folder" to check if that helps, and will let you know.

Hmm... I'm really puzzled... When trying again it worked perfectly, IOW showing the total size instead of "(unknown)" and ending up in a few secs!?! As I downloaded it with manually (ie. with my browser as opposed to with Ketarin) yesterday, I deleted the file after this first success, thinking that K could deduce the size from the previously DLed file, but trying once more succeeded again... Kind of magic or is the size saved in the app profile? Anyway, I decided to try again also for Cygwin, and this time I got the same behavior as initially described. However, I waited longer for the end, and I can confirm what Shawn noticed: the DL eventually succeeds but it is much longer than usual.

Hi Shawn, Thats exactly what I suspected, hence why I waited for a while. Maybe, not enough though, will try again... Agreed, but I used to trust only a very few 3rd party sources, of which FH. Unfortunately FH doesn't host RapidEE. About FH vs. x64 I strongly suspect site owners are still using x86 boxes Find it regrettable too, though should change hopefully... Do you mean that the download ended up to succeed? Thanks for your help.

Same issue with Cygwin...

Hi, I have 100+ apps configured in my jobs.db, and everything works fine. So far so good. However, today I just wanted to add one more app, namely Rapid Environment Editor, it is distributed either in exe or zip format. Whatever the format, if I specify the URL to download the app, Ketarin appears to start downloading it, but: - it displays "(unknown)" on top of the progress-bar, instead of the actual size of the file, - and once it reaches the end of the progress-bar, it starts over from the beginning, - I once thought that I should let it go, and that this behavior was due to the fact that Ketarin wasn't able to determine the file size, but even after a while the 900 KB file is not yet downloaded. What is so special with downloading from this site? Do I have to change some Ketarin setting for this specific app to work around this issue? TIA

I've seen it, as I rely on the forum since I started sing Ketarin, several months ago. Thus, even without posting, I found answers to several issues or questions I had.

Perfect thx