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It seems as a guest I cannot answer my own bug report so this is a follow up to this post. Please merge if possible.

 

Not sure exactly anymore what's causing this bug. My first 2 applications (the order of downloading matters) are 7-Zip (insecure connection) and CCleaner (secure connection).

7-Zip succeeds, CCleaner fails at first try (automatically update on startup is activated). The error message is: "Die Anfrage wurde abgebrochen: Es konnte kein geschützter SSL/TLS-Kanal erstellt werden.."; However manually updating CCleaner afterwards succeeds.

My current workaround is to add a 2nd copy of the CCleaner entry which will make the first one fail and the 2nd one succeed on first try.

Now the funny things:

  1. Making CCleaner use an insecure connection succeeds but a later different entry will then fail while always succeeding otherwise.
  2. Deactivating 7-Zip makes my workaround for CCleaner fail, i.e. both entries fail.
  3. Having 7-Zip activated and CCleaner deactivated makes a later different entry fail which always succeeds otherwise.

It also seems that failing happens immediately while succeeding takes a small moment.

I already tried both using my old jobs.db from 1.8.7 and starting from scratch. That doesn't make any difference.

 

 

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There shouldn't be any hack required though. If anyone tells me what to do I will have a look at it.

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Follow up to this post.

Narrowed it down to the use of "Use the following variable as indicator for changes". Fails when using it, succeeds without it.

Reproduction:

  1. Use a fresh install of Ketarin, keep default settings.
  2. Add 2 applications: app name1 = 7-Zip, variables1 = var, contents from url1 = http://7-zip.org, use the following variable as indicator for changes1 = var; app name2 = CCleaner, variables2 = var, contents from url2 = https://piriform.com, use the following variable as indicator for changes2 = var
  3. Press "Update all".

Result on first try is CCleaner fails but succeeds for every other try. Unless you restart ketarin, then it fails again on 1st attempt.

Changing https://piriform.com to https://ccleaner.com makes CCleaner work however then another app fails which worked before.

Not using "Use the following variable as indicator for changes" will make all connections work fine. However obviously I need to use it in the first place.

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There shouldn't be any hack required though. If anyone tells me what to do I will have a look at it.

What do you mean or need, exactly? Fixing one app makes another completely unrelated one fail which worked before. How should I possibly know what you would need to do to fix that?

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So far I have not been able to reproduce any issue.

Considering the information from https://www.johnlouros.com/blog/enabling-strong-cryptography-for-all-dot-net-applications it seems like .NET 4.6.1 updated and no longer establishes SSL3 connections by default.

Ketarin actually has a workaround for it: If a request fails and SSL3 is not being used, it temporarily enables SSL3 and then executes the request again.

The CCLeaner website uses TLS 1.2 so it should not be affected by the Ketarin workaround or the registry setting. The 7-zip website is not encrypted and thus should not be an issue either.

If someone can provide me with a case to reproduce the issue I can look into it (XML files of applications please). Also more details from the log window if available.
The only issue I could imagine for the moment is if multiple applications are downloaded at the same time, one needing the workaround while the other one doesn't. That could cause problems actually because the security settings are per app-domain and not per thread. I might need to fix that but would like some confirmation that it's the issue we see currently.

I'd prefer if no one needed to change the system wide registry settings, SSL3 is being disabled for a reason.

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This is a follow up to this post.

Thanks floele for having a look at my problem. I was able to simplify the reproduction even more and added the XML and log window content:

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?>
<Jobs>
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    <UserAgent />
    <UserNotes />
    <LastFileSize>0</LastFileSize>
    <LastFileDate xsi:nil="true" />
    <IgnoreFileInformation>false</IgnoreFileInformation>
    <DownloadBeta>Default</DownloadBeta>
    <DownloadDate xsi:nil="true" />
    <CheckForUpdatesOnly>false</CheckForUpdatesOnly>
    <VariableChangeIndicator>var</VariableChangeIndicator>
    <HashVariable />
    <HashType>None</HashType>
    <CanBeShared>true</CanBeShared>
    <ShareApplication>false</ShareApplication>
    <ExclusiveDownload>false</ExclusiveDownload>
    <HttpReferer />
    <SetupInstructions />
    <Variables>
      <item>
        <key>
          <string>var</string>
        </key>
        <value>
          <UrlVariable>
            <RegexRightToLeft>false</RegexRightToLeft>
            <VariableType>StartEnd</VariableType>
            <Regex />
            <Url>https://piriform.com</Url>
            <Name>var</Name>
          </UrlVariable>
        </value>
      </item>
    </Variables>
    <ExecuteCommand />
    <ExecutePreCommand />
    <ExecuteCommandType>Batch</ExecuteCommandType>
    <ExecutePreCommandType>Batch</ExecutePreCommandType>
    <Category />
    <SourceType>FixedUrl</SourceType>
    <PreviousLocation />
    <DeletePreviousFile>true</DeletePreviousFile>
    <Enabled>true</Enabled>
    <FileHippoId />
    <LastUpdated xsi:nil="true" />
    <TargetPath />
    <FixedDownloadUrl />
    <Name>CCleaner</Name>
  </ApplicationJob>
</Jobs>
04.02.2018 14:51:45: Update started with 1 application(s)
04.02.2018 14:51:45: CCleaner: Checking if update is required...
04.02.2018 14:51:45: CCleaner: Failed, Die Anfrage wurde abgebrochen: Es konnte kein geschützter SSL/TLS-Kanal erstellt werden..
04.02.2018 14:51:45: Update finished
04.02.2018 14:51:59: Update started with 1 application(s)
04.02.2018 14:51:59: CCleaner: Checking if update is required...
04.02.2018 14:52:00: CCleaner: Replacing {var} in '{var}' with ' 
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04.02.2018 14:52:00: CCleaner: Update not required, {var} has not changed
04.02.2018 14:52:00: Update finished

As you can see, pressing "Update all" the 1st time (after Ketarin startup) failed but it worked on 2nd time.

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